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Jay Watamaniuk
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 Posté: vendredi, 04 février 2005 11:06 |
Since we are powering up the clanking, steaming Gnome contraption that spits out finely crafted epic builds again I thought we should have a new thread that is home to all the crazy talk about them!
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Jessara
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Posté: dimanche, 06 février 2005 06:04 |
It's great to see the Epic Builds back again. They are one of my fav Bioware Wednesday features  I was wondering though if some druid/shifter epic builds or ranger builds could be put up in the near future?
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Havarti
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Posté: dimanche, 06 février 2005 11:13 |
I don't know about getting Toughness at 1st lvl (see Wrathful Berserker build). It is much more fun to get at high level and see your HP jump a bunch of points.
It just feels like it is doing more good later, but I suppose statistically it would be the same if you accept every levelup regardless of how many HP are gained. If you "reroll" sometimes then it is beneficial to wait on Toughness feat. | |
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iceberger
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Posté: dimanche, 06 février 2005 11:37 |
I have a question about that Epic Undead build. Somehow, it seems I don't gain additional known spells when I level as PM. I'm at lvl 25 currently. There are only 5 or 6 known spells at 1st spell lvl. 2 spells at 2nd, 2 spells at 3rd. no known spells at 4th, 5th, sixth. I'm really confused. If it keeps going like that, I have no chance to gain any additional spells since all the rest lvls are in PM.
However, accoarding to that build template, this character can cast bigby's, spell mantle, power word and other high lvl spells, Did i do something wrong? Can anyone help me? | |
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Anuis
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Posté: lundi, 07 février 2005 12:34 |
Quote: Posted 02/06/05 23:13:34 (GMT) by Havarti
I don't know about getting Toughness at 1st lvl (see Wrathful Berserker build). It is much more fun to get at high level and see your HP jump a bunch of points.
It just feels like it is doing more good later, but I suppose statistically it would be the same if you accept every levelup regardless of how many HP are gained. If you "reroll" sometimes then it is beneficial to wait on Toughness feat.
The reason the Toughness feat was taken at first level is that it gives you additional 1 HP per level ups.
Any additional HP is good for the build, basically adding durability to the build in pre-epic levels.
I believe regardless of when you took the Toughness feat, it will always gives you max of 40 HP at level 40. Let say if you took the Toughness at level 35, it will give you 35 additional HP plus the CON modifier and the Hitdice of the character that you are leveling up in. Then the last five levels, you will get additional 5 HP, one per level.
Can anyone confirm this please?
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bundy1964
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Posté: lundi, 07 février 2005 02:55 |
It Gives you 1 HP per lvl no matter what lvl you take it on. IMHO it's best taken pre 20 since the epic feats are a lot better than the standard ones.
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frber
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Posté: lundi, 07 février 2005 10:52 | |
Would be nice to have a traditional PW-adapted power-build? Like some Fighter/Cleric/Rogue mix that always work out decently on any server you try it on? Or a Rogue/Paladin? | |
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GhostNWN
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Posté: lundi, 07 février 2005 12:42 |
Quote: Posted 02/06/05 23:37:09 (GMT) by iceberger
I have a question about that Epic Undead build. Somehow, it seems I don't gain additional known spells when I level as PM. I'm at lvl 25 currently. There are only 5 or 6 known spells at 1st spell lvl. 2 spells at 2nd, 2 spells at 3rd. no known spells at 4th, 5th, sixth. I'm really confused. If it keeps going like that, I have no chance to gain any additional spells since all the rest lvls are in PM.
However, accoarding to that build template, this character can cast bigby's, spell mantle, power word and other high lvl spells, Did i do something wrong? Can anyone help me?
2 PM levels = 1 base caster level (not for spell calculations, only for spells you get overall)
Also, note that your INT/CHA (depending what you base on) needs to be high enough.
E.g. 11 INT = up to 1st level spells
12 INT = up to 2nd level spells
etc till 19 INT = up to 9th level spells
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Arcane_Darkness
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Posté: mercredi, 09 février 2005 02:47 | |
I've been trying to copy the epic builds for rogue archer, dark stalker, and kukri master. Just happened to look through my manual and saw all the bonuses Red Dragon Disciples get when they gain levels. Anyone have any ideas how to make a Kukri Master with Sorc/Bard, RDD, and Weapon Master and make it extremely strong like the normal epic build? I think the RDD bonuses would make it an extremely strong character. | |
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Countess Terra
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Posté: mercredi, 09 février 2005 05:26 |
I suppose I have two questions:
1) Are these builds supposed to be the best in the way of overall strength or just examples of Epic Builds? I've been thinking along the lines of the latter myself...
2) For the Death Hunter... why is the level 20 build 48 KB and the level 40 build 31 KB?  (Probably items or something, but it's still funny.)
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GhostNWN
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Posté: mercredi, 09 février 2005 08:27 |
~Terra~:
1)I would think the latter, as not one build will do well in all circumstances (e.g. servers/modules) in addition to there always being a counter against any build.
The builds listed on the page are probably good as "naked" builds, e.g. standard non-enchanted items builds. This of course is rather unrealistic and mostly helpful for low-magic only. Th only one of those i actually found useful overall is the combat medic 
2)No idea....I haven't bothered downloading those to take a look though...these chars aren't my taste  But probably by level 40, the char will have lost more limbs than it had lost by level 20 might explain the minor.."weight loss"
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Countess Terra
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Posté: mercredi, 09 février 2005 02:42 |
Quote: Posted 02/09/05 08:27:27 (GMT) by GhostNWN 2)No idea....I haven't bothered downloading those to take a look though...these chars aren't my taste But probably by level 40, the char will have lost more limbs than it had lost by level 20 might explain the minor.."weight loss"
I also have similar feelings-I can't use someone else's build when it's more fun and interesting to create my own.
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Herbie Shimmer
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Posté: mercredi, 09 février 2005 03:01 |
The most recent Epic builds have been two of the most disappointing ones to have been featured, IMO. Neither of them are especially powerful, they just kind of make me say "meh" and move on.
The Wrathful Berserker isn't really the best at what he does. I have a Barbarian / Bard / RDD build that gets all the Rage feats and higher Strength, which is pretty much the key attribute for a build like this. He also gets Protection from Alignment (immunity to fear from evil creatures), Bard Song, Tumble AC, etc. My version isn't especially new or original, i see many players on PWs going for something similar. It's primarily this reason I never wrote it up; it's a time consuming process, and most people already know how such a build would work.
The Death Hunter may be the best at what he does, but what he does (smiting evil) isn't that great an ability. Plus, he gets Sun domain (kind of pointless), doesn't have enough Wisdom to cast 3rd level cleric spells, doesn't have enough Cleric levels to get the better spells, and takes 24 CoT levels when that doesn't really offer much more than 22 CoT levels. It would be better to take 5 Cleric levels and 26 CoT levels, for the extra Divine Wrath bonuses, more smiting power, and extra feat. It's not like 7 Cleric levels really benefit the build much, it doesn't have the Wisdom to cast the spells it would gain anyway. Overall, the build's kind of similar to my Disciple of Torm builds, but I don't think it's as effective, or as easy to level up. The Disciple v4 is currently the best one I've played, and can be found in teh Guild.
I would have liked to have seen some of the more interesting and effective builds written up officially before these two. Builds like xitooner's Deathless Archer or a "shouldn't work but does" build like the Elven Bard / AA / WM. | |
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Anuis
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Posté: mercredi, 09 février 2005 04:45 |
Quote: Posted 02/09/05 15:01:11 (GMT) by Herbie Shimmer
The most recent Epic builds have been two of the most disappointing ones to have been featured, IMO. Neither of them are especially powerful, they just kind of make me say "meh" and move on.
That is your opinion...
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The Wrathful Berserker isn't really the best at what he does. I have a Barbarian / Bard / RDD build that gets all the Rage feats and higher Strength, which is pretty much the key attribute for a build like this. He also gets Protection from Alignment (immunity to fear from evil creatures), Bard Song, Tumble AC, etc. My version isn't especially new or original, i see many players on PWs going for something similar. It's primarily this reason I never wrote it up; it's a time consuming process, and most people already know how such a build would work.
That is why I did not go that route, it already had been done and I did not want to copy someone else build.
I wanted to do something original, I would assume that this build was close to being original as possible.
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The Death Hunter may be the best at what he does, but what he does (smiting evil) isn't that great an ability. Plus, he gets Sun domain (kind of pointless), doesn't have enough Wisdom to cast 3rd level cleric spells, doesn't have enough Cleric levels to get the better spells, and takes 24 CoT levels when that doesn't really offer much more than 22 CoT levels. It would be better to take 5 Cleric levels and 26 CoT levels, for the extra Divine Wrath bonuses, more smiting power, and extra feat. It's not like 7 Cleric levels really benefit the build much, it doesn't have the Wisdom to cast the spells it would gain anyway. Overall, the build's kind of similar to my Disciple of Torm builds, but I don't think it's as effective, or as easy to level up. The Disciple v4 is currently the best one I've played, and can be found in teh Guild.
I did not do the more levels of cleric because I wanted to focus on the strength of smiting. It would be possible do combination of Paladin/CoT/Sorceror instead since Sorceror would make the best use of the CHA.
But in another thread, it is possible to switch around couple levels if that is wanted and to get more spellpower out of it by losing some CoT levels and moving them to Cleric. I have at least four to five versions of this build. If the other version is wanted, let me know.
As for CoT levels, I can't remember what it was, but there was an ability that increase every 3 CoT levels I think. That was why I took more CoT levels.
Anuis
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Countess Terra
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Posté: mercredi, 09 février 2005 09:09 |
Out of curiousity, this question is aimed at the Bioware people, how many Epic Builds were submitted?
I noticed both builds were created by Anuis. Is this a reflection of the quality of Anuis' builds, the quality of those you were looking at, of the number of builds submitted, or perhaps something else such as these two builds being particularly appealing for other reasons?
~Terra~
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