TheExcimer-500
Game Owner
 NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
Beigetreten: 21 Mai 2002
Von: Top Floor in Queens... no longer NJ |
 Gepostet: Dienstag, 12 September 2006 07:42 |
Greetings,
A lot has happened, obviously...
It will take time to explain it, and time to go through all the forum posts, PMs, and so forth that I have received during the last week.
It will take time to answer some of the questions asked by decent folk, and to respond to many ill-words received by those other folk.
Right now, however, is not that time. Today the utmost priority is to get things moving in the right direction.
I have submitted new CEP -> NWN1.68 compatibility patches to NWVault. Yes it is plural. There are two versions: one is 100% compatible with NWN1.68 include the 3D cloaks; the other is 100% backwards compatible with CEPv1.
The file location will be:
Click Here
It is currently waiting NWVault approval in the same manner as any upload does. I do not know the exact time it will be made available for downloading, so whoever downloads it first, please post here that it's ready.
This will be the first in a chain of great events to soon follow in reshaping CEP with the voices and the help of many good decent folk here all joining in to steer the way clear of the turbulent waters we've found ourselves in. That with so many good decent people, CEPv2 will not only be 100% compatible with NWN1.69, but will continue onwards beyond the last(?) official patch and to continue to be for the good of the community.
As for a lot of the ill-words, I will take the time to state this now:
In the CEPv153 patch, months ago, the following was stated in black & white:
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...[tridents] caused an incompatibility with CEP & NWN1.67. There were two ways for us to resolve this matter:
1) 100% Backwards Compatibility - meaning to reverse NWN1.67's changes and restore CEP's trident
2) Forward Compatibility which would break CEP enhanced modules, but would guarentee that CEP would be compatible with NWN
We decided, after much debate and investigation into the pros & cons of each option, to simply do both...
#1 - CEP v1.53 is backwards compatible with all previous versions of CEP
#2 - CEPv2.0 will be forwards compatible with NWN, as it must be.
This was the only reason that the new 3D cloaks were "removed" from the original patch posted. This policy back then was accepted by the community without any arguments. Thus carried into the 1.68 Patch. It should also be noted that in "black & white" the intentions of the original 1.68 patch in regards to the removal of the 3D cloaks was stated on these forums several days before it was posted on the vault & not one person had questioned that intention.
The manner in which some folk acted over the last week has been shameful, to say the least. And it has cost the team dearly.
The reason a second patch was created was not for those ill-folk, it was foremost for the good decent folk here in our forums that show us support on a daily basis, it was for Maximus of NWVault that was the first person to bring the need for it to our attention and did so in a very decent way, and it was for Lisa & Bioware, as it was never our intentions to "discard" their work in any way.
As was said by many that original patch was meant to be a temporary "band-aid" for CEPv1. That CEPv2 was meant to be released very shortly afterwards (and indeed was already released to PWARP). After so doing our attentions could return briefly in deciding how to better patch CEPv1 and "end" that project.
A lot more will be said... soon...
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Excimer's 2da Combinulator Edited By TheExcimer-500 on 09/12/06 19:47 |
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Ginasue
Game Owner
 NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
Beigetreten: 11 Apr 2002
Von: Riverside County, California |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 12 September 2006 08:18 |
Is it called the TDC CEP 168 Patch, if it is then it's up, if it's not then someone has placed a patch up on the valut, using the CEP Team name
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RoxyFerret
Game Owner
 NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
NWN 2
NWN 2: MotB
NWN 2: SoZ
Mass Effect PC
Beigetreten: 22 Okt 2002
Von: Possum Lodge |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 12 September 2006 08:18 |
Awesome news! Thanks from myself and members of Lands of Iperoth!
~ Roxy
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TheExcimer-500
Game Owner
NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
Beigetreten: 21 Mai 2002
Von: Top Floor in Queens... no longer NJ |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 12 September 2006 08:21 |
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TheExcimer-500
Game Owner
NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
Beigetreten: 21 Mai 2002
Von: Top Floor in Queens... no longer NJ |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 12 September 2006 08:26 |
If you click on that one's Author it links to Joe. It's probably just the original CEP 1.68 patch, that was posted a few days ago. And since the "author" of that was TheCepTeam Joe filled that Author slot out in the same way. Confusing, but not an ill-intent. Just someone trying to help fill the void that unfortunately occurred this last week.
BTW: The "original" official posted hak was not changed, in this new post. I only added on a second hak to include the 3D cloaks.
The Official CEP one has not yet been "approved", that can take any where from an hour to even a day. When you click on the Author it should either say TheExcimer, or 1st Order of Role-Players (my NWVault acct name).
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Excimer's 2da Combinulator Edited By TheExcimer-500 on 09/12/06 20:34 |
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Ginasue
Game Owner
NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
Beigetreten: 11 Apr 2002
Von: Riverside County, California |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 12 September 2006 08:29 |
Ok, good to know. I'm clicking away, Stopped pacing now and clicking away.
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JoeNobody893
Game Owner
 NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
NWN 2
NWN 2: MotB
Beigetreten: 16 Feb 2004
Von: Texas |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 12 September 2006 08:31 |
Quote:
Is it called the TDC CEP 168 Patch, if it is then it's up, if it's not then someone has placed a patch up on the valut, using the CEP Team name
No, that is the Original CEP Team 1.68 patch that was released and "TDC" (The Dragon Coast, my PW) promptly included. After it was removed from the Vault, my players had to access to the patch and could not play on TDC (The Dragon Coast) unless I emailed them the patch. I listed "The CEP Team" as the author because they are. But if you click on the name link, you will see my information. I always give credit where credit is due.
Please note, before anyone gets up in arms about this being on the Vault, this patch is strictly for The Dragon Coast PW.
Additionaly, the description gives full credit to the CEP Team and the fact that it is the one that my PW uses.
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This is the CEP Team's Official 1.68 CEP patch. The Dragon Coast PW (Action PW tab) uses this, and since my players need access to it in order to play on the world, here it is.
If anyone has a problem with this, feel free to send me a PM about it. I'm not going to respond to this further in this forum, nor start or be in any kind of flame war. My players needed it, and now they have access to it.
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Lord Eogan of The Dragon Coast, Action PW tab, NWN1 Server.
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TheExcimer-500
Game Owner
NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
Beigetreten: 21 Mai 2002
Von: Top Floor in Queens... no longer NJ |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 12 September 2006 08:41 |
Joe - I have no problem with this at all.
To All: This is the same exact hak as the one uploaded last week, and it is the same one included in the zip/rar I uploaded just hours ago.
My upload includes a new second hak in the zip/rar folder that allows for the 3D cloaks, along with some documentation regarding both. It's just waiting in the approval queue.
If you want the 2D cloak version, then that is what Joe has up on the vault and it has already passed through the approval process.
It's been a tense week for everyone, and a lot of jumping to conclusions has already taken place (by myself included).
What Joe uploaded, is fine by me. My upload is not yet available - it's in the queue - and will hopefully be there soon. |
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Jacen Saracen
Game Owner
 NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
SW: KotOR PC
NWN 2
Mass Effect PC
Beigetreten: 22 Jun 2002
Von: Kennewick, WA |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 12 September 2006 08:51 |
TheExcimer--
You're a man among men. You and the rest of the CEP team's efforts remain among the most important in the history of the NwN custom content fan community.
If there is a lesson here for all of us, it may very well be.... "Never underestimate the power of the written word... for good or for ill."
Just remember, the vast majority of your "client base" are patient and silent. One thing that might do well for all of you is to look at all the new handles we see in this forum that have only popped up just recently as a response aimed at increasing positivity and solidarity for you guys.
Personally, I'd like to see even more..... 
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Georg Zoeller
Senior Technical Designer
Beigetreten: 27 Mai 2003
Von: Austin, TX |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 12 September 2006 08:53 |
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Khaveen
Game Owner
 NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
NWN 2
NWN 2: MotB
NWN 2: SoZ
Beigetreten: 21 Jun 2002
Von: Midwest, USA |
Gepostet: Dienstag, 12 September 2006 08:58 |
TheExcimer, on behalf of myself and everyone in the PW I admin for, I thank you for your continued efforts and professionalism.
I also appreciate the news that you intend to eventually patch the CEPv1, presumably with the final(?) NWN v1.69 when it's out.
I find your explanations for the decisions on the CEP in the past and now to be 100% logical and to be your best attempts at doing the right thing given the constraints you are under. As you and the CEP team respond to whom you term as "ill-folk", I hope that the responses are limited to constructive explanations of why what was done was done. Each of us in the NWN community is unaccustomed to the recent lack of respect going around, and for good reason: it's usually much more respectful around here. Let's keep things, as you say, "moving in the right direction" and take the high road from this moment on. You have 99% of the community's support. I suspect and hope that with a bit more communication and dialogue on the topic, you can gain that remaining 1% and put this past week behind us.
Respectfully,
Khaveen
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ImagosMirror
Game Owner
NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
Beigetreten: 14 Dez 2002 |
Gepostet: Mittwoch, 13 September 2006 02:50 |
As one who lurks and reads and says little around here, I want to jump in briefly to agree with what was said above -- those who complain and attack and show little understanding of the monumental, voluntary labor of love you folks have created are the loud minority. Most of us, I am sure, have been waiting patiently, not saying much because it just spams up the forums and we got the original messages -- it'll be ready when it's ready, and 1.68 was an emergency patch to let you all focus on getting 2.0 out. What more can we possibly ask from a group of dedicated volunteers?
The CEP team has given an incredible, ongoing gift to the community and the community loves ya for it -- don't let a few loudmouthed fools make you believe anything else! When I think about building without the CEP I shudder at the blandness...you have my eternal thanks. |
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Tiberius Morguhn
Game Owner
 NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
SW: KotOR PC
Jade Empire:SE
Beigetreten: 18 Jan 2004 |
Gepostet: Mittwoch, 13 September 2006 03:11 |
I'm not an avid poster, but I am a custom content creator for NWN and I know the efforts behind even a single piece of work. So a heartfelt THANK YOU goes out to the CEP team for providing such a wonderful variety of custom content put together in a cohesive, standardized, useful package. I am looking forward to CEP v2.0 and I hope that the voices of those that appreciate the VOLUNTARY, UNPAID labor of love the CEP team puts forth rings louder and clearer than the naysayers. THANKS AGAIN!
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lilesjr
Game Owner
 NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
Beigetreten: 15 Dez 2004
Von: California |
Gepostet: Mittwoch, 13 September 2006 03:16 |
I couldn't even begin to do custom content. But I know that the stuff you guys have put out is phenominal. It has not only expanded what the toolset can do, it has made many others try things that they at one time didn't think possible. It is good what you do and to all the naysayers, if you can't do better then what the CEP does you shouldn't offer any sort of comment. If you can do better, then put the time in and release something to the community. Don't berate the design team of the CEP for all the hard work that they do. I am in awe of their abilities and their product. Thanks guys and keep up the good work.
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B_Harrison
Game Owner
 NWN
NWN: SoU
NWN: HotU
Beigetreten: 06 Mär 2004
Von: England |
Gepostet: Mittwoch, 13 September 2006 10:26 |
Excellent news that this is all being resolved.
Thanks for the update.
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